John and John,
I agree with you both. I do not think either position has to be mutually exclusive.
However, John H. you have had me ripping through box after box of old college books looking for the book in the link below. I definitely want to re-read it again if I can ever find it.
But your post reminded me of this book I read many years ago in an old college course, taught by a Harvard trained theologian. Which was one of the best in my undergraduate experience.
If you are interested in a light and easy read, I highly recommend it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sickness_Unto_Death
