Not at all, but Altapoints EMR stinks and pales in comparison to AC. Now I'm more taken by what the ASP model (I'll never go there and you know why, ownership of the software my data is created in) of OfficeAlly. Many AC users already have their billing and therefore their demographics in OA... So this is more the one I think we need to watch. And yes I do understand what you are saying. I not sure where you got the mis-impression that I don't think Jon needs to make a fairly competitive billing PM module from. Before you and your wife ever got here, I was one of the loudest people speaking out for just such a thing and attemping to warn Jon about loss of clients new and old. No less how a more complete AC with a PM that is AC's PM equivilant would just eat up the market....