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I have had issues on numerous occassions where I know I put in the copay data and the insurance payments in the accounting sections of the pts chart-then I go a week or two later to check-and they DISAPPEAR! I have also been entering that data into Quick books, but this is getting ridiculous!

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I believe this may go back to the little warning we all get when we go to the admin section financial part, Warning AC is not a practice management.... I think you and I spoke about all the issues I found with the numbers in there.... Sure would be nice to have that cleaned up... But I would call support and make sure that nothing weird is happening in there. But yes we too make sure that all co-pays get recorded in QuickBooks. I have set up our patients as customers and I record everything we collect or do at the frontdesk, even though we out source the billing. If it goes thru our hands I record it....


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hockeyref-any other suggestions? I do my own billing and quickbooks isn't the best at pulling the data-any other suggestions as to PM? I just had all this double entry stuff!

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I hope this is an isolated issue.
I just opened my practice last month and have not yet sent
the first month of info to my billing service.
With the amount of time and tediousness that is involved with entering the billing information-better not lose info.


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Hey Hockey-- do you record your insurance reimbursements in Quickbooks too? I'm sure you do. My real question is do you record the payment in Quickbooks by patient, or by each proceedure (or do you just leave that detail to your biller.)? I"m fighting a tradeoff of what I think I should do and what I can do giving limited manpower resources (uh, me, myself & I).


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Folks,
Man what faith you all have in me. Thanks. Sorry to disappoint you all, but we outsource our billing just like so many others. Our old accounting firm that actually used to own our billing company (ya I know conflict of interest right?) set up a regular repeating custom journal entery in QB's for me to enter the basics from our weekly check from the billing company. Basically it has the net amount, the commission paid, and then the opposite side has the gross fees collected. But this is a compilation of all fees and carriers combined.

This is why I was so begging for better practice management features in AC and was so PO'ed when I found the numbers were badly off by so much. Not to really keep harping on old garbage but this was our the basis for our original big bad issue with Jon and AC. It was written up in articles that speak to it having some basic PM features and some of these articles are even on the website to be read by perspective customers... Needless to say we were pretty disappointed. We really loved the monthly totally and other basic number crunching.

Anyhow, here is one suggestion that I am just starting to get going. One the more I look at other programs EZ Claims and Altapoint really seem to be the best options for folks like us. EZ Claims has the advantage of already interfacing with AC fairly well, while it's disadvantage is that it reports and deep PM number crunching is not as fleible, what you see is what you get. Were as Altapoint is much more robust in terms of reports and number crunching but you either have to do double entery (not always a bad thing, hold that thought) or purchase an deal with the added program and vendor issue of the link, I would use the letter but that letter is suddenly stuck on this laptop and don't want to loose this post. I keep leaning towards Altalpoint as I see so many practices get committed and comfortable with whatever they choose so I'm leaning towards the better of the two seeing that the price is not all that different once you really load up EZ Claims with all the modules you need to make it function like a real PM and billing program, the costs really do start to level off.

But try this for starts. One of our bigger payors, without an real input from us started sending all the papers and checks to our office instead of the billing address which is the billing company. I quickly got to like this because I got to see the EOB's and see more of what was going on behind the scenes. So I set up this carrier as a customer just like any other. When you think about unfortunately, in our messed up business, regardless of who the patient is, they are no longer the real customer that we contract with, those messed up anti-trust carriers are.... Who do you have a contract with, the patient or the carrier???

So now I use the running ledger function doing a double entry type thing so the books balance. First I enter a charge on the actual amount of the check, and they I go and enter that payment in recieve payment from customer, drop down the carrier in question and BAM, now my books balance because the charges match the payment recieved. And now I can enter the check number to always reference back to the week and that check and I have a running cronilogical ledger of all payments from that "customer".

Here's my last "tip". Over the neyt few months once I settle on a PM module, I am going to contact all my major carriers and one at a time (I've got time, go slow and use it to your advantage) have then stop sending my papers, eob's and checks to the billing address and instead send them to us at our regular address, making the office the billing address. Now I've got all the money and paperwork coming to and thru us. At the same time I am either going to have a private contractor help us set up our PM with the carriers laid out the right way, or better yet, since I will own the program, I will have the present billing people do it for us and insist that they use our new program of choice, probably AP. It's good I was just really trying to wait Jon out, but our situation stinks and I need to take back control. Anyway, now any time we care to pull the trigger I can tell the billing company to take a hike, since they have disappointed us so badly...

And to the idea of double entering. I believe it was Vinny who I had this conversation with. It was his belief that double entering, once by the doc in AC as he/she creates the invoice based on their charting with the codes and all, and then re-entering them in the PM of your choice is like have a daily chart review and it keeps the doc and the biller in sync and watching out for one another. I was entering the major visit codes in QB's but not posting charges or payments, I never got that far. But it forced me to look at Nancy's coding every invoice and every visit. I know most of these patients and how long she spends in the room with them. As always, if anything she was frequently under billing, because all these SOB's have doctors scared out of their wits... But she's human and every once in a while I will catch a real boo-boo and it allows me to hold that invoice until she and I have a chance to talk about it and make sure we get it right... With AC at my disposal I have the chart notes right there to double check the chart verses what she gave me to submit and that helps a lot. Again I see so many things like how many issues she discussed or reviewed and I can throw it back at her for a new or different code. Again most of the time she under values herself... This business sucks the big one, it really does. We need to eliminate this aspect of "the game". It is such Bull....

Let me go, Just waking up after being at the office 'til almost 4 am working on getting us all switched over to the new tower. AC swapped over and reset her path like a champ, really she did.... THANKS JON!!! But the drivers and software for our HP AIO's absolutely suck. They almost always get hung up with a svchost.eye problem. I've half learned how to deal with this but what a pain. I don't think I'll ever buy another one of their products again. They are so don't give a CCHIT about the customer and their issues with their drivers it is unreal... And I'm convinced that it is their spyware in that software, driver set that is the issue. What bull.

Anyhow, have a great weekend....
Paul wink


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Hi Paul:

I Googled "svchost.exe" and got LEO, the IT guru's column on this very topic. If true, then it may either be a virus, an exploit, or worse. He runs you through what to do here- http://ask-leo.com/svchost_and_svchostexe_crashs_cpu_maximization_viruses_exploits_and_more.html. Several other sites discuss fixes, including downloads of applets which can help you fix the problem. Leo's article, though, even includes multiple links and information sources... good stuff.

Good luck! Let us know how you fix the thing...

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Al,
Thanks actually I did the google thing too. It's not that. This has happended on every computer I've ever put these drivers on except one. These drivers and spyware built into the software packages are the real issue. Bert and I researched this a while ago when I bought the first of two new AIO's as our old monster was slowly dying. There are one or two drivers or processes that load during the boot sequence that get hung up and won't finish doing their thing. So you have to go deep in the the system set up stuff and switch them usually from auto to manual.

I'm convinced these are the parts that are waiting for a return call from the mothership or want to make one, but because I do a custom install and don't install all their "printhead mileage" and auto tracking of supplies, and auto updates, this thing can't satisfy it's prime objective and so they get hung up by my trying to keep them out. Heck on their website where you can contact them or even bitch, one of the check buttons is for "Are you concerned about your privacy with HP?" They know they have a spying issue in their midst because they really are spying on their customers. This is a real HP issue that many have been dealing with for quite some time now... Both the software drivers hanging up, especially when trying to turn off the feedback programs as well as their spying on folks in general.

Anyway these processes that you have to change the settings on are not the svchost.exe that is actually getting hung up and the amount of CPU useage is different for each machine. And they are always perfect parts of 25%. Last night was 25%, another machine was 50%, while another once was 100%. So you change these settings on actually HP parts of the installed software and the svchost issues go away, they even have names that start with HP. Uninstall the stuff and the issue goes away no less. It's no virus. Ii don't think any virus would allow it's self to be uninstalled by a OEM's uninstall program do you?

I'm sorry but until they make a public admission and start fixing these issues, I think these may be some of the last HP products we will ever buy....


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