Thank you for making the video easily viewable, as this really reinforces your position of desktop/hardwire recommendations, and I can see first hand why. However, I have a question for you related to this topic. Due to my antiquated small exam rooms, a desktop in the exam room is out of the question, so I have chosen to utilize a notebook elite with the gigabyte switch and wireless N router. But after watching your video am going to hardwire my nurses laptop (which in retrospect should have been a desktop) to the switch. However I have been using logmein but after reading about your recommendation with remote desk top, should changing from logmein to remotedesktop improve my speed over the wireless system?
O yea, wired half a second. Wireless 2.5 minutes. Powerline 30 seconds. To be honest, I've had wireless performing better than the powerline adapters. It all depends on the building's wiring.
Yes, it should be much faster and better looking. LogMeIn uses the Internet. While with Remote Desktop, you'd be using local area network. LMI is limited by your internet Upload Speed which on average is around 1 Megabit. With a wireless N router, you can can get up to 300 Megabits. You could enable LAN Speed Experience under Remote Desktop which will look and feel just like a regular Windows 7 Installation. Furthermore, if the Internet were to go down, you would still be operational since you cut the Internet out of the equation. I still have no idea why people use LMI in their offices.
How pressed for space are you? Mini ITX computers can be mounted on the back of monitors. About the size of two reams of paper. Since you already have the computers, no point in me telling you that, but just for future reference.
I really like the feel of the notebook, and the ability to move it around to my patient to engage them without any cords. Also the 1100 dollars per notebook has me uninterested in changing till I have to.
Will the black screen on either side of the opened chart disappear with Remote Desk top?? I can't wait to try it out, and I may have to look at the Mini ITX in the future. Thanks for the tips!!!!
Can you give me/us more information. Of course, in my opinion, RDC is always better than LMI (based only on the overall package). LogMeIn is free, RDC is free. But, LMI ignition is not free and to compete with RDC, you would need it.
If you are at home and remoting into your network, there isn't a whole lot of difference. You bring up a browser, go to LogMeIn, find the computer on it that you had earlier installed the host software and in. I suppose the 45 seconds that takes is not that bad. With LogMeIn ignition, it's very fast. Both methods with LMI are very secure, although you do have the middleman/woman. If you have several computers, you must download the software for each, certainly not a big deal once you have done it.
With RDC, the experience is much richer, IMO. RDC version 6.1 comes with WIN 7. You can download v6.1 for XP SP2 from Microsoft as it has been back ported. Remote Desktop Gateway or RD Gateway is a role service which started with servers 2008. This allows a HTTPS connection allowing a SSL encrypted connection between the remote computer and all of the computers on the network. The RDC client is then configured with the RD Gateway and other information so that you can click on it and connect in about four to five seconds. With the RDC client, each time you add a full qualified domain name FQDN to connect, it is remembered in the dropdown list so that you can easily connect to that computer again with your login name and password remembered (if you wish).
Another huge benefit over LMI when on a network is you can instantly connect to any other computer on the network and, in fact, log from that computer to another computer.
Again, though, can you refresh my mind on how you are using the two technologies?
This is what the 6.1 version of RDC looks like. You can see the dropdown box with the list of computers. Notice the computers are named as Fully Qualified Domain Names. What's cool is the .local or .gorilla depending on what you used in your setup (by default, it is local, and I would use that over gorilla, makes the domain name "riverview" a routeable domain name that will connect to that computer over the Internet. While you can use the private IP addresses such as 192.168.16.7 to connect over the network, the private IP addresses are not routeable. So, it is best to keep it clean and use FQDNs on all computers, which has to be on a domain network. This is one place where Microsoft got it right.
Once RDC is used on your remote machine or on the network, the FQDN are automatically added to the Start Menu RDC icon. So, simply click on the Start Button and click on a computer, and you will connect extremely securely with no middleman/woman and very fast.
You can of course use NetBIOS names (the computer name in most cases). Bert-PC or Sandeep-PC on a P2P network rather than the IP Address. May or may not work though. IP Address will always work. I've noticed on a domains it almost always works to use the FQDN. While on P2P, it works 50% of the time, especially when your are mixing Operating Systems.
Please don't laugh, and Sandeep has been working me over to go with a server, but I don't have one. So my main computer is about 2 years old and has XP as the O.S. and 4 ram, with a wireless N router/gigabyte switch and is communicating with 2 identical HP elite Notebooks--with Windows 7, 8ram, dual i5 processor. My nurse uses one as a desktop (I initially envisioned her taking in to exam room and obtaining vitals). This has not panned out. So after watching the impressive video, and suffering from doubting Thomas syndrome, I realized, despite Sandeep and your desktop/hardwire recommendations, that I should at least have a bastardized setup and at least hardwire my nurses laptop to the gigabyte switch, because with scanning/updoxing in I.I's she is getting bogged down at times. I have been using logmein free at Wendell's excellent advice and love it. I sink my laptop and carry back and forth from exam room to office. I do all my educational stuff, order, and escripts or efaxing through updox in the exam room. Carry my laptop back to office, while nurse reschedules the completed patient for next year and rooms the next one, as I then get onto my main computer in office dictate the note, and send office summary through updox and print up the billing slip. The log me in has been great as I don't have to sign on or off and forward notes--extremely efficient. After hearing your discussion about RDC, I thought it would be superior to log me in. I do log in from home sometimes over weekend to import labs and write a few letters. but try to keep work light if nonexistent on weekends, but planning on vacation next month so will need remote access to keep office going while away. I envisioned logmein while away from office, and RDC while in office.
Remember, that before RD Gateway with Remote Desktop Connection using port 443, RDP used port 3389. While a registry change could change the port, most computer users continued to use 3389. Hackers tried to access this port more than any other as they knew it was open and listening at all times. Event logs could show up to 10,000 attempts monthly.
The only defense, which is a good idea anyway, is a strong username (not admin or administrator) or a very strong password.
I forgot to mention the main reason for keeping my HP elite notebook. I take care of a 80+ gal who comes in once a month for INR's, and when I first walked into the exam room with my new laptop, she exclaimed."What a sexy laptop."
Could buy 4 really nice Dell Desktops with 2200 ha. I personally hated using laptops until I got my ThinkPad. That keyboard has to be the best laptop keyboard ever.
I find more attempts made on the SFTP port than the RDP port. Nearly 1000 attempts a day on my SFTP server. (Port 22) Strong usernames and passwords are your best defense. Avoid using user names like admin or root or passwords like 1234. You'll be fine.
Lol that would be interesting. I had to shut my SFTP server down when not in use just because the authentication attempts would never stop popping up.
I'm so glad I spent the extra money on the Lenovo. It's totally worth it. Even if you reformat, their updater tool automatically finds and installs all the drivers. No bloatware, tightly integrated software. It's definitely a business laptop.
I looked at the Lenovo but went with a bit more robust battery life with the HP elitebook--and so far haven't run out of power, except the one time I forgot to plug in overnight, but it was a fast recharge.
Really? Slice battery on a Lenovo X220+9 Cell gives you 20 hours. I haven't seen any manufacturer come near that number. Macbook can't reach it either. Or a T420 with slice gives you even more I think. Remember there is a big difference between Lenovo IdeaPads and ThinkPads, just like there is between HP Pavillions and EliteBooks.
That is bittersweet news, but now gives me enough reason to fire my Hardware Research Analyst, who has always been a bit distracted with his other profession. Especially if I couple the fiasco early on where the HP laptop had motherboard issues and had to be sent twice to Texas for motherboard repair issues during my first month of EHR implementation (the only laptop I had for the exam room!). But Fed Ex came to the rescue when they lost it and HP sent a new one in its stead.
Not all laptops. The only I know of at the moment is Lenovo ThinkPads. The slice battery is like a dock for your laptop. You can dock the laptop onto the battery to extend its life. You can just leave it attached always as well. It's essentially adding a second battery to laptop, thereby doubling the battery life. Most other manufacturers require you to remove the existing battery and replace it with a new one if you want to extend the battery life. Lenovo lets you stack them live.
Just an update--because of your video comparing wired to wireless transmission, I finally got an ethernet cable hooked from my nurse's elitenotebook (functioning as a desktop) to the gigabyte switch today, and can't believe the difference!!! The imported items on the larger charts open up nearly instantly, instead of 20--45 seconds. Thanks once again for your help!!! The medlist on her computer opens up nearly instantly as well. I had not realized how slow and inefficient it had become for her. One other thing I did was put two HP1102 laser jet printers in each exam room, which has helped with efficiency as well. Once again thank you for your ongoing involvement and assistance.
I bet she is very happy. That's we recommend things like SSDs and Gigabit switches. Those 20-45 seconds each time add up. More than enough to offset the cost and peace of mind of a wired connection and the responsiveness of an SSD. Not to mention, instantaneous response is always nice.
I found this article on wikepedia helpful distinguishing SSD from HDD--and now better understand your reasoning for a mineral oil cooling unit on a build you discussed on an earlier post.
The table about half way down is an extremely nice comparison/contrast.
Yep. Same reason for not putting the DVD drive in there either. Oil interferes with the spinning of the discs in both cases.
Even if you're not using mineral oil. They make excellent additions to any computer. They use less power in laptops, speed up both desktops and laptops. An SSD can breathe new life into an old computer. The prices are also lower now:
64GB Crucial M4 - $70 128GB Crucial M4 - $120
I got mine for double the price. I've bought over 10 of these drives now. They're fantastic. I have both the 128 and 64 in my personal computer. I use the 128 for Windows 7 and other programs, while the 64GB SSD is fantastic super speed workspace for virtual machines and such. Most people use very little storage space in an office setting. Most of the stuff is on the server and that's still not much data. Having low capacity SSDs in the clients should be no problem. I think it's funny people pay extra for the 1TB or 2TB drives at the Dell Customize Screen but they haven't even filled up 10GB yet.
We keep coming to some topic discussions again and again: wired vs wireless, optimal desktop/laptop setup for AC, Remote use of AC etc.
Sandeep you did a great job of posting on some topics like hardware, SBS2011 etc. Why don't you post on these other recurring topics so that they are not rehashed?
Everyone will appreciate that - like they do your earlier posts.
I am sure that Sandeep can do a better job with the technicalities. But, it is rather straightforward, I would think.
Wired vs. Wireless: Wired wins hands down (if your office can accommodate it). More secure, faster, and you won't drop the connection.
Remote access:
RDP/RDC Extremely safe, extremely fast. A little more difficult to set up. Free. LMI Extremely safe, extremely fast. Have to log into a website unless you pay for LMI ignition. There is a 3rd party, but not a big deal. Rock solid. No real set up issues. GoToMyPC: Excellent but costs money. Terminal server: Whole different can of worms. To keep it simple, TS is best when you have a remote office and you want several employees to log in at once Then, there are the others in the pack: VNC, etc. VPN is NOT a great strategy as data must traverse back and forth across the Internet. A dying technology. RWW/RWA can only be used with Small Business Servers. VERY secure. Very fast. Again, like LMI, you have to get to the website that is the portal for the server. Gives you TONS of options and makes it easy for staff to log in. It is easy for staff to log in with LMI as well.
Optimal laptop/desktop: Completely up to the practice. Both have advantages. I think the advantages and disadvantages are obvious.
We keep coming to some topic discussions again and again: wired vs wireless, optimal desktop/laptop setup for AC, Remote use of AC etc.
There is a very good reason for that. People want cheap. Setting up wireless is a few minutes with a $45 router. Running cable is shutting down the office for a day and paying someone $125 per drop. A laptop from Best Buy is $499. A business class laptop from Dell is $1200.
James sums it up pretty well ha. Wireless is a lot cheaper and faster to set up. But unless you're running a Terminal Server in house, you may run into speed issues down the line. Bandwith requirements aren't decreasing anytime soon.
You can get refurb desktops with 2GB DDR2, C2D processors, 80GB HDD and gigabit ethernet with windows 7 pro for <$300 now including a monitor. Cat6 or even Cat5E is pretty cheap.
We have a steel building that hates wifi signals and degrades the signal to the point that AC is painful...does it work? Yes - could you see 20-25+ patients a day without pulling your hair out... No!
Yep, CAT6 is only about $100 for 1000feet, CAT5E is only about $80 for 1000 feet. Both will run at Gigabit speeds, but if you're looking to put it in the walls and it's going to cost a lot. Might as well use the better cable. Possibly even use CAT6A (rated at 10 gigabit). 3 times as expensive as CAT 6 though.
I like my SSDs too much to go with refurb desktops. I also use things like Intel PXE to install Windows 7 over the network.
I just finished an upgrade for our office. It took one Saturday to build, install, and setup 10 computers. That's all thanks to WDS Deployment Services and a Gigabit switch.
The other best part about imaging is that it saves the most time on slower, older computers. When I do installs, I tell people I can sit hit for 8 hours installing a fresh copy of pro, updating it, installing your software, drivers, etc PER COMPUTER. Or I can make one image on my fast computer in <2 hours which is driver agnostic and reformat all of your computers to they are ready to go once the reformat is completed. So far everyone has preferred that to doing computers one by one.
This usually saves me in the end too as they end up wanting to add 2 or more computers after the initial install.
It doesn't seem to me that the network infrastucture -- at least the switch speed or cable specs -- is what determines the practical speed of AC.
I can't really tell much difference between the wireless and wired computers when they are just connecting to the AC server in my office.
What is really slow is the Internet --sometimes -- when ERx can be maddeningly slow. The fact that it can also be very fast suggests to me it has nothing to do with my switches, cables, wireless access points, routers, internet gateways -- but something with ISP and internet backbone and servers at the Epharmacy end (and maybe with how intensely the Feds are looking into the transmissions?) than anything I have any control over.
Part of what you may be experiencing is mid-route congestion, or it can be services queuing on the remote cluster end.
One thing that you can do from your end is to run a graphical tool like ping-plotter and see both current/average latency, hop count, and often device names. This will give you hints about where the traffic flowing and congestion points.
There are other tools that are more precise, and allow you to look at route tables/route resolutions, but they are definitely more 'deep-in-the-tall-grass' exercises.
I use wireless in the exam rooms for precisely the reason many on this board have posted -- I like to walk around in the exam room, sit next to the patient, or across from the patient, stand up, sit down -- medicine is theater, after all, and the doctor is the director of the play. So it is helpful that wireless (in practice, if not in theory) is just as fast as wired in that setting.
The slowdowns I experience are random and unpredictable -- they are due to events beyond my office walls. They are frustrating when they occur, but there is nothing I can do about them. Fortunately, in my area at least, they are relatively rare.
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