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You know what they say. if you have to ask....

Lol OC3. It's like a buying a new car every month.

Gotta love the University haha.

Here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_Carrier_transmission_rates

In the enterprise space, if you don't have multi-homed OC-3s, you're just a poser.

When you tour larger data facilities, You look at their security infrastructure, the multipel diesels, their AC provisioning, but if you get to see behind the curtain, in the inner sanctum, you get to see the fiber panels, the distribution panels and the cross-roads. You have to speak in hushed tones, and keep your hands behind your back on in your pockets.

The rumors that there are containers for holy water by the doors are absolutely FALSE. NO LIQUIDS in the inner sanctum.

you are right on both accounts--

Thanks Indy

You mean these larger data facilities use AC? Cool!

@Sandeep

You don't buy a new car every month?!

The Montana AC provision for my AC is 2-70:
Laptop on my front seat of my '90 extended cab XLT Ford Ranger both windows down going 70mph.

Bert,
I double checked with my 2nd IT guy here and he said the T3 line here, since we are so close to the "supply line"(i am not sure if that is the right term)is 900-950 dollars a month, and I quoted him your price and he about fainted. of course there is the start up cost and I didn't ask about that. And I described T3 as you and Sandeep defined it and i think we are talking the same type of line.

Jimmie, FWIW, is there service in your building already? If you are that close to the CO (perhaps the supply line), then the question would be if existing service can be split through a switch, and each business takes 'slice'. I can think of a few medical/business buildings where they have a larger circuit brought in, and then split the circuit using switching in the building.

That's awesome. I would definitely get that. Lol you could sell it to the neighboring offices ha.

Indy/Sandeep,
the Central Office (that's what he called it) is about a half mile away--not here and I don't think there is any here in this building. Don't know enough about splitting and all that--

Bert - in answer to your question about DSL, they are run through concentrators at the CO (telco facility), and DSL circuits are routinely oversubscribed using the concentrator. You may not see it all the time, but if you run a trace-route device over time, DSL circuits are much more prone to mid-course congestion and latency. First ran into this ~ 15 years ago doing VOIP implementations.

Because they are carried over copper pair to the CO, they are also more prone to interference and episodic grounding.

If there are other folks in the building it would be worth it to talk about sharing/splitting it.

Sandeep or I could walk you through the logistics remotely, or Lori and I will be in WY scoping out the fall location next month. Not sure how much further to your location.

We're almost direct north from Yellowstone from Gardiner (north entrance) about 250 miles--Great Falls--alot of Lewis and Clark/Charlie Russel stuff--in fact we live atop a buffalo jump and overlook the mighty Mo--but could keep you from the bed bug infested hotels around here

We used to have a fractional Internet system based on the number of phone lines. There are a few ways to split it using routers alone or with switches. But, and I may be wrong here, but you may want to use a DMZ or VLAN to secure it from the office you are sharing it with.

Personally, it just seems easiest to allow the company supplying the T3 to set it up for you. They could channelize it.

Indy,

You are either working too hard again or it was a very bad joke, but I was referring to the fact that you made it sound as if these large companies were using AC (Amazing Charts).

But, thanks for the extra info.

jimmie,

Please do not take offense. But, I thought I was the only person to have a pet peeve about "a lot" being made into "alot" which is not a word. But, I Googled it and, as you may think, there are many. This one guy, though, is rather funny. Make sure you read the comments.

http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html

Bert,

No offense at all, and this may be TMI, but my ex-wife's dad was an English Prof, and with my Hoosier/Hillbilly genetic/environmental influences, could unintentionally and unwittingly cause him to cringe incessantly any time I opened my mouth. I learned to listen alot.

--i couldn't resist.

I also post at a grammar site. Not often. But, I am as concerned about my question being grammatically correct as I am concerned about my question.

I could correct many people, but I don't as it tends to cause ill will. But, I do have two pet peeves.

One is the alot. AARRGGHH. The other is one that generally is sent to my by the answering service: Vomitting. I cringe when I "see" the word vomitting. When there are people around who know me, I will say, "Is the patient just vomiting, or are they vomittttttttting." Emphasis on the "t" sound.

One thing I am anal at that I wish my staff were is spelling. 99% of the time if I am not completely certain while writing a letter or a progress note, I will Google the word. First, it makes for a more readable and better note, but I will generally not need to look it up again.

My receptionist types the word "medication," "medicaiton" all the time. When confronted with it, she claims she knows how to spell it, but it is just a typo. Well, it seems to be a common typo. I tell her to just use med. I also would think that if there were a word (were is correct)that, for whatever reason, I tended to mistype, I would become very aware of that when I had to type that word.

Bert,

Did you ever read Lemony Snicket? Beware the Lachrymose Leeches.

Bert,
My ex-wife's step dad was a metallurgist in London, and during my 4th year in med school spent 6 weeks doing a rotation at Guy's Hospital and stayed with them. I could not only elicit cringing but utter disdain from him. He was quite the chef and wine connoisseur and prepared a big feast (one of many)for a lot (impressed?) of friends about 12 as I recall, and near the end of the meal, I leaned back and exclaimed, "boy, am I stuffed."
Not the thing to say, as I learned later, to the English ear it came out, "boy, am I screwed (but even more vulgar)."

I guess you can't cross cover for me. alot, vomitting and a variety of spelling errors are so common I feel like I need to hold spelling classes with loss of pay for incorrect spelling. ARRGH

and I am not that pernickity about Anglish

Bert,
Do you know if Allie is from Montana?? Caleb says so.

Thanks to Bert, Indy, and Sandeep--
But I think I will take Bert's advice and first explore with the company that provides the T3--I do appreciate the offers however, but you guys can make better use of your time helping others, but if you don't mind I may ask for guidance from time to time, and Indy seriously you and Lori are welcome for a visit if you come this far north just let me know your travel times--

I am a pretty good judge at what I do to help people, but also the way my posts come across -- e.g. sometimes not as nice as I would like. There are many on the board that are extremely nice, but sometimes throw in a few biting sarcastic remarks -- meant to be funny and are, but with my sensitivity genes and passive-aggressive genes which have been found to be the highest level in the human genome, I sometimes take them the wrong way.

So, as not to leave anyone out, I do have to give credit to jimmie and Wendell who I have yet to read a demeaning post originating from them. I reference then and not the many others simply because they are posting right above.

To those who missed it during my down time on the board, Wendell, in an attempt to help me, offered to help take call. It took me a while to realize what is the difference between call coverage five miles down the road and in Chicago. Not only that, it had the distinct advantage of keeping patients from transferring when they liked his style better than mine. I am sure I thanked him, but if I did not then, I certainly do now. I would have taken him up on it, but my IT person was adamant about allowing a fellow pediatrician with an iPhone to take calls. LOL. J/K.

I have to marvel when I read a post by jimmie at how sincerely nice it is.

David, no I have not. It it is a new kind of candy bar, e.g. Lemon Snickers, I would like to try as Snicker Bars are my favorite, although I can't imagine the two flavors would go together. Then again, if Burger King can add a bacon ice cream sundae to their menu, I suppose any thing is possible.

Bert--most of what I have to offer is sugary sweet and you have substance, so am a bit envious of your capacity to help--but thank you for your kind words.

Oh, MY... Then allow me.

He wrote the book series "A series of Unfortunate Events". In the book "The Wide Window", the Baudelaire orphans spend time with their aunt Josephine, who lives on the shore of Lake Lachrymose. She has an unnatural fear of everything from doorknobs to kitchen appliances, but the greatest love in her life is English grammar. Towards the end of the book, she corrects the diction of evil Count Olaf, who then casts her away to be devoured by the carnivorous leeches of Lake Lachrymose.

Just shows what can happen if you fail to put a possessive before a jerand.....

Ironic that you hit upon my favorite part of speech, the gerund (sorry, correct spelling). The gerund acts as a verb, which functions as a noun and, thus, occupies places in a sentence or clause where other nouns would occupy. Without exception it always ends in ing. The only difficulty in spotting a gerund is another fun part of speech called the present participle.

Now what makes this sentence of David's so interesting is the fact that he refers to the possessive pronoun that should come before a gerund. This is what I was taught by my mother. So, rather than say, "She saw me playing tennis," it should be "She saw my playing tennis." This is due to the fact that playing is part noun and requires a possessive pronoun.

One day a mother in my practice who taught English and grammar in college corrected me and said it could be either. I was shocked, argued for just a few seconds given she seemed extremely adamant about this. I had correct at least over 1,000 people and, just like the television show, "They call me Earl," or something like that, I figured I needed to find these people and apologize. Upon my saying (notice the possessive pronoun and gerund, which is always correct no matter which you choose as your pronoun) to each of these people, "Remember the day you used a gerund in your sentence, and I corrected you, explaining that your non-possesive pronoun should have been a possessive pronoun give the following word was a gerund (half verb, half noun). This was working great since even though I apologized to them, they had no idea what I had apologized for and just went on with their daily routine shrugging it off as, "Well it's Bert afterall."

So, I went to my favorite site for all things grammar and posted the question. Immediately, the teachers, librarians and lovers of grammar came out on the side of the mother in my practice. It seems that either me or my or him or his can be used. Of course, you can never go wrong with her. There was one poster who used a sentence relating to the Beverly Hillbillies, which drove the point home revealing where according to how you want your meaning to come across, one can use the non-possessive pronoun or the possessive pronoun.

So you get snowed in alot back there huh?

Mea Culpa on the misspelling.

The reason I picked this is that my spouse took it on as a personal mission to correct me when I failed to use the possessive. After 20 years, I have pretty well gotten it down. I showed her your post. Her reply was "You know why they say either is now acceptable, don't you? It is because so many people were getting it wrong that they gave up."

Stand your ground!! Never surrender!! God is on our side!! The heck with the leeches!!

Actually, she is not correct. And, I am as much as grammarian as anyone. I nearly closed my practice for a day when I heard this. Believe it or not, "alot" may make it into the English dictionary. I am not so sure about "It is I" (correct) vs. "It is me." So simple with that being verb. Is renames the subject. Then there is the "than" pet peeve with, "He can run faster than me," when it should be, "He can run faster than I." So many tricks such as adding the "can" to the end of the sentence as in, "He can run faster than I can." Of course, it wouldn't be, "He can run faster than me can."

I do recall, though, hearing grammatical errors and how they would jump out of the sentence the same way one of the four-letter words would.

I am determined now to get the thread from the site. The paragraph the poster wrote was genius.

I could not find the original thread, and I am not sure if this one refers to mine, which would be an honor.

You must know that Rich Turner was the original "mudge" or curmudgeon and legend has it that he could go months or longer without being caught in a grammatical error, although typos seemed to be his friend. When others on the board caught him in an error, they were lauded for days. CeeBee, on the other hand, is my go to grammar person, and I trust her implicitly.

This exchange shows that while the possessive pronoun is usually the correct pronoun to use, the non-possessive pronoun can be correct. It depends if you are referring to the subject of the phrase, "you cooking" or to the gerund itself in which case it would be the more common "your cooking."

The mudge above clearly falls back on the trap of what sounds correct, or something one would not do as in "I appreciate you." As a matter of fact, one would say this and, using that as part of his argument, was his downfall. Not the typical Mudge. But, as his passed away two months later that could explain it.

The sentence that I believe Garonsky used to prove his point to me was something like the following from The Beverly Hillbillies:

I am going to watch Jane Hathaway's playing tennis today, but I would much prefer to watch Elly Mae Clampett playing tennis.

Apologies in advance for the chauvanism.

To clarify, I ALWAYS use the posessive pronoun before a gerund whether it is Jane Hathaway or Elly Mae Clampett for that matter.

Or Scarlett Johansson, the soul reason for my watching "Lost In Translation" at least 15 times. OK, Bill Murray was part of it.

To this day, I can't think of a film with such a different plot; one that the writer, producer and director must have signed off on. Not to mention the studio. (incomplete sentence)

My most difficult thing to do in my practice is to diagnose scabies followed by browsing to Google Images. I then type in S c a where is then brings up a million hits for Ms. Johansson, but I must continue with the "b" to look instead at the wonderful picture of Sarcoptes scabiei.

Bert,
I find it extremely intriguing but not surprising your interest in the language. I see the ability you have with diagnosing and walking folks through their software and hardware issues not unlike your ability to dissect, parse and instruct the language. I have heard it said that often times the really great musicians are often times mathematically gifted as well, and I think speaking/writing is a variant form of music, if you think of it that way. My ex-father in law saw my struggles with language and offered the advice to read, read, read, and suggested reading the great authors is the best way to learn to speak the language. I think most folks can appreciate wonderful music or literature, but to parse, dissect and instruct is a rare gift, whether it is computer stuff or the Anglish language.
This is not meant to be critical, just observational, and you are in great company because even though I am addressing you it could be a number of AC users that help me (and others) out on a daily basis.

Nothing critical about it and thank you. This is a good opportunity to clarify that David and I and any others who wish to join in on this obvious hijack can. I hope it is not a jumping off point to begin jokingly or not jokingly correct each other's grammar.

It is funny that you brought up music. I realize this will sound silly, but listening to good sentence structure is music to my ear. Hearing glaring grammatical errors is like scratching on a chalk board or a bad note on a violin.

I owe it to my mother, an English teacher, who would not settle for anything other than perfect English from her children.

It is sad that children now know how to spell iPad, iPod, texting, and other acronyms but have never been taught to diagram a sentence. Emails are typed in one big blob of words without even one paragraph. Most people from 25 and under have no idea what the proper format of a letter is. For that matter, why should they, as they are just as likely to send an email to the Dean of a medical school as a letter. They simply don't teach grammar anymore.

My staff, who cannot write one message or HPI without a misspelling often tell me that English doesn't matter. I always tell them that if I am interviewing two people for a job and they are both equal, if one says, "It is I," and the other says, "It is me," the former will get the job. It's all part of the packge.

I do apologize for the hijacking and, if asked, will move the grammar lessons to a different place in the forum.