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#2771 09/26/2007 1:49 PM
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I've been getting a lot of emails regarding my cover story in this months MDNG article, and thought we needed a forum to allow discussion of the points it brings up. The article, Shhhhh! (10 Secrets the EHR Companies Don't Want You to Know) addresses sleezy techniques EHR vendors use to sucker doctors.

Most of the emails that have come in, or been posted on the mdng website are positive, though a good number voice concerns and complaints about various EHRs (including ours). Anway, I thought we should open an uncensored discussion...

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I'll start by posting some of the comments that have come in - either to me, or on the mdng website.

1. I read with enjoyment and identity your article in "mdng". I am an allergist in private practice that out of frustration in finding an EMR that was functional created one that we have been marketing for the last 3 years, Rosch Visionary Systems.
It is specifically designed for Allergists and ENT Allergists and as such does not match all the "requirements" for CCHIT certification. My Academy suggested last year that it's members choice an EMR that is so certified even though there are no specialty EMR's eligible. The ignorance continues to be appauling by the so-called specialists!!


2. I read your article in 9/07 MDNG Primary Care Edition. I can finally put a face to a name. I have recommended AC to 4 different practitioners in he last 3 weeks alone. They approached me about it after seeing a summary or consult sheet that a patient brought to them. I believe as you do that EMR's are too costly and have too many hidden costs. Those that recommend also have a vested interest as you do in AC. I believe AC is a good product but I also believe that there is room for improvement without cost going up. The Quest and other Lab interfaces cost should be absorbed by Quest or whatever lab is utilized. This is a benefit for them so we would use their facilty. Also, making the EMR work with other EMR or being able to interface with hospital EMR or data would be the future of the EMR. I do not believe a universal EMR is the answer this would be a monopoly but I do believe that universal EMR would have some advantages. One single potential database for all communication and data. Federally this would need to be implimented. You should have mentuioned that trial versions should be allowed and that templates should be individualized. Overall a good article.


3. I read your article. You are absolutely right in pointing out various secrets of the industry.

I had some inclination about these issues. I had less than pleasant experience with eMDS practice management software.Service was less than optimal, during the later part of the contract. Reseller had many issues that he could not solve and was more interested in nickel & diming.I believe the program itself was okay.
I did research again and came up with few different EMR names. I tried Amazing Charts and Soapware. Liked Amazing Charts more, it was more friendly and did most of what we needed in our practice. Called the Amazing Charts sales team to buy three licenses for the office. I left message three times on voicemail, approximately one week apart each time. Call was never returned. I got disappointed by the fact that if service is so careless prior to sales, what it would be after sales. I still believe that Amazing Charts is a very good product at a very good price. Never thought that I would be able to tell you this story.


4. In response to the article in MDNG - Dr. Bertman's own EHR (Amazing Charts) is a great program with an awful backup behind it. Dr. Bertman's EULA is contradictory. He says he is there to help but all we get is more and more limitations. He used to be the guy behind the product, but where is he now? All one needs to do is look at the user group board, and that is what you'll see. Many of us no longer call Amazing Charts for support because we know we will not get it. We users ask each other for support. People who used to really like Dr. Bertman AND his product, now want to know - Jon, where are you and what happened? <<Nancy, don't worry, I'm here, and paying attention! I'm fixing support as we speak (hiring, training, and adding more resources like a wiki for user recommendations to be more easily found, and understand your pain!>>


5. I attended one of the meetings planning the EHR certification requirements, and it was obvious back then that a bloated certification process would produce bloated EHRs. I think we will see a new approach coming out of the world of blogging. A patient's chart is in essence of group blog about a patient, with some added security. Blogging software is widely available and many younger doctors already know how to make blog posts and comments, much as we are doing on this page. A simple EHR product based on blogging software would have many advantages, including the ability to link to many resources. We illustrate how such blogs could link to diagnostic decision support software in our Cases Blog at http://www.simulconsult.com/cases/. Similarly, adding images and videos is quite routine today. It is even simple to have comments as required in CCHIT criterion 71a. Wouldn't it be wonderful if those annoying green hyperlinks that automatically add advertising to blogs instead add hyperlinks to useful material? The best way to design an EHR is to put together the parts that doctors want. The rest can be added on to the blog EHR in a way that doesn't disturb the doctor's work flow.


6. We spent over two years evaluating EHR products and to our disgust had to purchase a lesser product due to secret #6. Not only are EHR products proprietary, so are many of the management solutions and they refuse to interface their products to hold you hostage. thanks for the article so very true.


7. Thanks. In a different lifetime I was a systems engineer at EDS. I am especially frustrated by #8 "accurate, improved, and rapid documentationwhat should be the most important features of any EHRare often woefully inadequate". You are 100% correct. The remainder of the issues are bloated features that would be nice if the core objectives were met. And avandia was not removed from the market.

There are more comments at mdng.com website as well...


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Jon,

How about an article on CCHIT? How about an article questioning us users how we feel of CCHIT? WE WANT TO GO CCHITless! If we can open the eyes of physicians,I think we would prefer to use an EMR without the bullCCHIT associated with CCHIT. What about ONCCHIT's recommendation for an electronic peephole? <<CCHIT is a dirty word and should be a censored by the board, but the board doesn't seem pick it up.>>

I'm glad to see the you are looking at how you can improve support. Finding good people to run support must be difficult (let alone finding good staffers for my office is difficult!).

I think AC is a good product and can be better if it is kept as an EMR that provides functionality, versatility, simplicity, and economy. The EULA should reflect that sentiment rather than the legalistic sleezy languange that is hard to understand.

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First off as most of you who read this board know I am fully with Roy on this CHITT issue. Furthermore, perhaps could we start some form of an E.petition for the committee to submit in opposition to the spy-portal while the public comment period is still active? There are a number of us who are very concerned about both the doctor's and the patient's privacy here. It is very Orwellian and very concerning.

But as for AC. The website is promoting and selling top quality support that is part of our annual re-up, while the EULA is absolving the corporation of almost any and all obligations to provide any at all. And which is also totally at the non-defined descression of the company. This is what my wife meant by "contradictions" in her response to the article. Do we have support that we can depend on when "that time" comes? Which unfortunately it almost always does at some point. Such is the nature of these technical things. And will we have a contract that defines and protects that support, instead of trying to get out of it? But please read on.

FYI, as previously stated many times before: in terms of R&D by you and your team you certainly have earned your keep and your all too reasonable fees. I'm fairly confident when I say that nobody here would deny you those fees. A sincere thanks to you and your team's hard work on the many features that you are trying to bring about. And as Roy said; finding and retaining top quality people is always tough and frequently costs real money too. I think most users would be willing to accept a modest increase in support fees to share shouldering the burdon with you and to spread that burdon around among ourselves so as to assist you in proving top quality support by top quality people.
Has anyone perfected that cloning thing yet? Jon would be all set with half a dozen more of Carlos. (lol)

In closing, we really want to be all on the same side, fighting together for the same end goals. Good easy to use and maintain products like AC, that don't nickle and dime us to death, with intentional road blocks that leave us completely dependant on one large greedy company. For many of us, AC has been a breath of fresh air when compared to how so many others treat us in this business. It is AC's straightshooting, honest and ethical image and behavior, combined with it's incredible fee structure that has gotten it to where it is today. It not one or the other; it is both and they really feed off one another. Clear up those contradictions and don't loose sight of this. Proudly embrace them. AC's continued success is in all our mutual best self interests

Thanks for listening. Have a great night
Paul and Nancy


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