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#27946 02/09/2011 10:47 PM
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Does anyone know how many pc's can network to a pc running windows 7 home premium? 4? 5?

how about win 7 pro?


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Win7Pro is 20.


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All our 20.

If you are using WIN7 Ultimate and click on Start -> Run and type in winver then click on Microsoft Software License Terms and scroll down to 3.f., it will give you the answer.

With WIN7 Pro, it is under 3.e.

For WIN7 Home Premium it is under 3.e.

For WIN7 Home Basic, it is under 3.e. as well


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hey,thanks bert. it was right there. scared myself though. I typed in winver, and then my laptop shut down. I was like "uh oh." Then i realized I hit clicked the shutdown thingy.


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Are you using Win 7 Pro for your server? I am still unsure whether to spend the money for Windows server or whether I can use Win Pro. I am about to purchase AC for a small office with 2 docs and 3 other users, but I need to upgrade my network.


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I was told that to run a network in my office, I would need to use a business level server OS. We have server 2003 and will be upgrading to 2008R(?) in the next month along with a new server and SAS drives. This is in anticipation of AC6.0 and meaningful use.


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You do not need to run a business server OS. There are many reasons you might want to though.

You can run peer to peer. This is what is limited to 20 connections under Win7.

Since you already have a server, much of the work is done. I am not sure why you really need to upgrade from '03 to '08 (or '11 which is the newest version.) Bert mightg want to chime in here.

There is a new version of Windows Server called Essentials. It is a step up from Windows Home Server that included Server functions for networking. It does not include sharepoint or some of the mail functions. It costs about $550. It includes the backup ability of Windows Home Server for all the computers on the system.


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It depends what you call a network. But you certainlyu don't need more than what ou have. SBS 2008 has a lot of new features over 2003. But, it looks like you are talking Windows Server 2003 and not the SBS version. The problem with 2003 is I don't believe you can run 64-bit on it, so you are limited on RAM.


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Originally Posted by Bert
It depends what you call a network. But you certainlyu don't need more than what ou have. SBS 2008 has a lot of new features over 2003. But, it looks like you are talking Windows Server 2003 and not the SBS version. The problem with 2003 is I don't believe you can run 64-bit on it, so you are limited on RAM.


There is a Windows Server 2003 R2 x64. SBS 2011 is pretty good too. It's about 760 with 5 User CALs.

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I agree I wouldn't be quite ready for SSD and RAID on a server. But, on a WIN7, although you may not always need it, it is much less likely to crash. An OCZ Vertex 2 is rather inexpensive.

Sorry about the x64. I was referring to SBS.


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Originally Posted by Bert
I agree I wouldn't be quite ready for SSD and RAID on a server. But, on a WIN7, although you may not always need it, it is much less likely to crash. An OCZ Vertex 2 is rather inexpensive.

Sorry about the x64. I was referring to SBS.


Ha, I was confused about the SSD because that was in the context of a different post. Putting SSDs in RAID means you can't use TRIM which reduces the longevity of the drive.

Yea, I think you're right about there not being a 64 bit SBS 2003.

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A couple of points:

1. Correct. SBS 2003 was 32-bit only.

2. Trim for SSD's in RAID:

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2010/03/23/intel-releases-trim-for-raid/1

That article was released in March 2010.

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Originally Posted by JamesNT
A couple of points:

2. Trim for SSD's in RAID:

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2010/03/23/intel-releases-trim-for-raid/1

That article was released in March 2010.

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You may want to read an update to that story...
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/18653

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I am enjoying this thread immensely. Also, WIN7 supports SSD with Trim. You can use SSDs with XP, but you have to run a utility on it every so often to keep it working well.


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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227580

This is on my wish list. Read/Write of 900MB/s. Transfer rates of 1GB/s.

Ironically, there are no reviews yet. Sluthra, you want to buy it and review it, lol. smile I'll chip in $100.

Funny, how we started with WIN7 Home Premium.

Oh, and I am thinking of putting this on all ten of my clients.


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Originally Posted by Sandeep
There is a Windows Server 2003 R2 x64. SBS 2011 is pretty good too. It's about 760 with 5 User CALs.
Sandeep, make sure you explain the difference between user cals and computer cals. Also, if you can talk about Windows Foundation Server as an alternative. If not, I can. smile


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Originally Posted by Bert
Originally Posted by Sandeep
There is a Windows Server 2003 R2 x64. SBS 2011 is pretty good too. It's about 760 with 5 User CALs.
Sandeep, make sure you explain the difference between user cals and computer cals. Also, if you can talk about Windows Foundation Server as an alternative. If not, I can. smile


Well first let me correct my statement ha. SBS 2011 Standard comes with 5 CALs, you can either choose to designate these as User CALS or Device CALs. There is no CAL enforcement built into SBS 2008 or 2011, so you could add as many users/computers as you want. However, if you were to be audited and you are unable to supply evidence of the CALs, you can face some hefty fines.

Originally Posted by Microsoft
User CALs
With the User CAL, you purchase a CAL for every user who accesses the server to use services such as file storage or printing, regardless of the number of devices they use for that access. Purchasing a User CAL might make more sense if your company employees need to have roaming access to the corporate network using multiple devices, or from unknown devices, or simply have more devices than users in your organization.

Device CALs

With a Device CAL, you purchase a CAL for every device that accesses your server, regardless of the number of users who use that device to access the server. Device CALs may make more economic and administrative sense if your company has workers who share devices, for example, on different work shifts.

Summary:
Use User CALs if you have more computers than employees. If you have more employees than computers, use Device CALs. You can also mix and match as long as you keep track and document any changes. Also, after you use those 5 CALs, you can purchase additional User CALs or Device CALs. These can only be changed once if you have Software Assurance and contact MS.


I bought mine here. Price went up 40/50 bucks.
http://www.softwaremedia.com/micros...erver-2011-standard-with-5-cals-oem.html

I don't have much experience with the Foundation Server because I avoided it due to its limitations.
*8GB of RAM maximum (main reason, I love my RAM!)
*No virutalization
*15 Users max
*1 Processor

Bear in mind, this can be upgraded to the Server 2008 Standard should you need more than 15 users (no CALs required for the Foundation Server). I would recommend SBS 2011 Essentials over this because it's more user friendly and requires less "IT experience". SBS 2011 Essentials also has a 25 User limit (no CALS either!). SBS 2011 Essentials also backs up all clients, has remote web access, multi processor support, etc.

Feel free to add any comments, Bert smile

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Originally Posted by Bert
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227580

This is on my wish list. Read/Write of 900MB/s. Transfer rates of 1GB/s.

Ironically, there are no reviews yet. Sluthra, you want to buy it and review it, lol. smile I'll chip in $100.

Funny, how we started with WIN7 Home Premium.

Oh, and I am thinking of putting this on all ten of my clients.


There are, suprisingly, reviews for the 512GB $10000 unit lol.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227581

"Fastest consumer SSD available" LOL! What consumer buys a $10,000 SSD?! You think would at least give you free shipping ha.

My money is going to a new personal computer. I got a Crucial M4 SSD in there along with 16GB of DDR3 1866 RAM among other things wink

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A Crucial M4 SSD is sweet. 16GB of RAM seems like a bit of overkill. smile

What I do like with my OCZ Vertex III is that Word just jumps off her hard drive into memory. And, of course, boot times are crazy. You have to hit delete, F2 or F8 the exact second it gets to the BIOS to have a chance. Either that or put a bootable CD in the drive to give you an extra second. smile


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I just spent $2500 for a new personal computer. And, that is probably $3,000 as it is being built by a friend of mine who is a Super Guru when it comes to computer hardware. The guy is amazing. He is going to build my HTPC as well.

He has like five home theaters and 40TBs of hard drive space with almost any series (24, Lost, etc.) and movie imaginable that he keeps the info on on an online repository that is too cool.

I wanted the 1GB/s card with the SSDs, but it was just too cost prohibitive.


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Originally Posted by Sandeep
I don't have much experience with the Foundation Server because I avoided it due to its limitations.
*8GB of RAM maximum (main reason, I love my RAM!)
*No virutalization
*15 Users max
*1 Processor

I agree with what you say, as usual, Sandeep. Remember, the big controversy on here is client/server vs P2P. But, you are taking it to a whole new level and I think may be scaring some of those considering client/server.:)

I agree the RAM is a little low on Foundation Server, but the average person on here isn't going to need more than 15 uses, 1 processor or virtualization.

All SBS going back to 2003 has remote web workplace.

But you are spot on.


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Originally Posted by Bert
I just spent $2500 for a new personal computer. And, that is probably $3,000 as it is being built by a friend of mine who is a Super Guru when it comes to computer hardware. The guy is amazing. He is going to build my HTPC as well.

He has like five home theaters and 40TBs of hard drive space with almost any series (24, Lost, etc.) and movie imaginable that he keeps the info on on an online repository that is too cool.

I wanted the 1GB/s card with the SSDs, but it was just too cost prohibitive.


Now you got me curious. What's are you putting in it? I'm spending about half that. Vertex 3 and M4 are close. I'm just using at as a boot drive. Got one 2TB drive for movies/stuff like that. 1TB for my work space. 1TB for games/applications.

http://www.behardware.com/news/11410/crucial-m4-vs-ocz-vertex-3-vs-intel-510.html

Originally Posted by Bert
A Crucial M4 SSD is sweet. 16GB of RAM seems like a bit of overkill. smile

I got a ridiculously good deal on the RAM. I got this RAM for only 150. DDR3 1866 and 16GB. Even 8GB of this stuff is like 140.

Maybe be I should PM you because we are way off topic laugh

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